Legislature(2011 - 2012)BUTROVICH 205

02/23/2011 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES


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03:33:43 PM Start
03:34:57 PM SB42
03:53:27 PM Presentation: Focus on New Oil and Gas Development Opportunities
05:04:07 PM Adjourn
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= SB 42 POWER PROJECT; ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY
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Focus on New Oil & Gas Development Opportunities
Bob Swenson, State Geologist & Director
Division of Geological & Geophysical Surveys
3:34:57 PM                                                                                                                    
         SB  42-POWER PROJECT; ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN announced SB 42 to be up for consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER moved to adopt CSSB 42(RES), 27-GS1822\D.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  objected for discussion  purposes. He  asked his                                                              
staff to explain the proposed committee substitute (CS).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JEFF STEPP, staff  to Senator Paskvan, said the  Department of Law                                                              
suggestions  from the February  21 meeting  were forwarded  to the                                                              
drafter  who   prepared  a  CS   deleting  the  procurement   code                                                              
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:37:44 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease from 3:37 to 3:44 - technical difficulties.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE joined the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:44:50 PM                                                                                                                      
MR.  STEPP  said the  CS  makes  changes  relating to  the  Alaska                                                              
Railbelt  Energy  Fund essentially  preserving  the  legislature's                                                              
authority to appropriate.  Fourth, and most significantly,  the CS                                                              
makes changes  relating to the  creation of subsidiaries  and adds                                                              
a section  entitled "Approval  of Subsidiaries"  so that  they are                                                              
specific  to  the  Watana  Hydroelectric   Power  Project  on  the                                                              
Susitna River.  Finally, he said, the  fiscal notes for  SB 42 are                                                              
not impacted  by any  of these  changes and  will remain  the same                                                              
for version  D. He explained that  the original language  in SB 42                                                              
allows AEA  to have  employees and that  remains unchanged  in the                                                              
CS, and that is the source of the fiscal notes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN,  finding  no  further  questions,  removed  his                                                              
objection and CSSB  42(RES), version D, was before  the committee.                                                              
He announced that he would hold it for another meeting.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:48:11 PM                                                                                                                    
^Presentation: Focus on New Oil and Gas Development                                                                         
Opportunities                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
       PRESENTATION: Focus On New Oil And Gas Development                                                                   
                         Opportunities:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PASKVAN announced  the presentation on Alaska's  oil and gas                                                              
development activities.  He welcomed Commissioner Dan  Sullivan to                                                              
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DAN  SULLIVAN,  Commissioner,  Department   of  Natural  Resources                                                              
(DNR),   said  he   would  provide   a  brief   overview  of   the                                                              
department's  view  on  North  Slope  hydrocarbons.  Kevin  Banks,                                                              
Director  of the  Division of  Oil and  Gas, would  focus on  what                                                              
they  know  about   the  amounts  of  discovered   resources  near                                                              
existing  infrastructure.  Next,  Bob  Swenson,  Director  of  the                                                              
Division  of Geological  and Geophysical  Survey,  would focus  on                                                              
undiscovered and  probable resources  and how those  estimates are                                                              
made.  Paul  Decker,  a  star  petroleum   geologist,  would  then                                                              
provide  details  on their  assessment  of  one of  the  promising                                                              
unconventional categories,  the shale  oil potential on  the North                                                              
Slope.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN  said an  important threshold  question when                                                              
looking  at  resource  development  policy  is  what  is  left  in                                                              
Alaska,  and  by  any  measure Alaska  still  has  a  world  class                                                              
hydrocarbon basin  on the North Slope. The department  believes it                                                              
is in the  state's and the  country's best interest to  more fully                                                              
develop them.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The  biggest challenge  is  the throughput  decline  he said.  His                                                              
graph showed  1 million  barrels a  day in 2003  that was  down to                                                              
about 640,000  barrels a day  last year. Another  major challenge,                                                              
Commissioner  Sullivan  said, is  a  federal government  that  has                                                              
moved from  a focus  on environmental protection  to a  posture of                                                              
pro-actively  shutting down  resource development  in Alaska.  The                                                              
high costs  of doing  work in  the state,  a tough environment  to                                                              
explore  and  develop  in  and  infrastructure  issues  are  other                                                              
challenges.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He said  to address  these challenges  it's important  to  look at                                                              
all the policy  tools available, some of which  the state controls                                                              
and others which  the federal government control.  Encouraging all                                                              
players of  all sizes  is important to  finding additional  oil as                                                              
well   as  commercializing   North   Slope  gas,   and  from   the                                                              
department's perspective there is no silver bullet.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:53:27 PM                                                                                                                    
KEVIN  BANKS, Director,  Division of  Oil and  Gas, Department  of                                                              
Natural Resources  (DNR), said  he would  speak about  the reserve                                                              
estimates in  the existing  and nearby oil  fields that  have been                                                              
penetrated  by  exploration wells  at  one  time or  another,  and                                                              
about which  they have  a degree  of certainty  about oil  and gas                                                              
amounts.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  indicated that  all  pieces need  to  be in  place  to make  a                                                              
development   project   successful.   At   one   level   data   is                                                              
intrinsically  important  for  the  geologist  to  understand  the                                                              
resource potential.  Once some definition is created  around that,                                                              
either through  exploration and other  activities - but  even just                                                              
access to  information that has  been collected over the  years or                                                              
a company  might need access to  land to assemble a  position that                                                              
sufficiently surrounds  the resource that  they hope to  develop -                                                              
capital  is needed  from both within  a company  and from  outside                                                              
capital  markets.  A favorable  regulatory  scheme  and  favorable                                                              
permitting  is also  needed so a  project can  have a  predictable                                                              
set  of  outcomes.  Work  plans  need to  be  developed  that  are                                                              
sufficiently  robust  to  be  approved  so the  project  can  move                                                              
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He said  exploration is  the physical  data gathering  effort that                                                              
most  companies have  to go  through  in this  process. You  can't                                                              
start popping wells in after reviewing just the data.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Finally, production  is required,  and here  he was talking  about                                                              
the whole suite  of development requirements:  the infrastructure,                                                              
the transportation  links, and the access to markets  to make sure                                                              
whatever  is developed  is going  to  succeed. Mr.  Banks said  he                                                              
indicated  these as  a chain because  any element,  if it's  weak,                                                              
could defeat a project.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:57:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  said he would  be speaking about  the reserves  and the                                                              
discovered  resources around  the  North Slope  units.  Basically,                                                              
they have  a fairly  good understanding of  the remaining  oil and                                                              
gas that  can be  produced in  existing units.  About 5.1  billion                                                              
barrels of  oil and about  35 tcf of gas  are in these  units. His                                                              
slide  also indicated  some  resources specifically  in  northeast                                                              
NPRA. Liberty  was also on that  slide, because it is  about to go                                                              
into production as soon BP is ready.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Going to  a less certain  number of  resources not necessarily  in                                                              
production,  Mr. Banks  said, are  estimates of  ranges that  come                                                              
from   shared  non-confidential   information   about   discovered                                                              
resources  without much  delineation or  development. It  included                                                              
estimates of  FEX NPRA  discoveries in the  central NPRA  over the                                                              
last few  years and Kuvlum in  the Beaufort Sea near  the Sivulliq                                                              
project, Shell's  target for Beaufort  Sea drilling that  they had                                                              
to postpone  this year.  Gubik is  Anadarko's  gas field and  will                                                              
depend on how they will someday pursue development there.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Finally,  a more uncertain  number,  but related  to oil that  has                                                              
been  penetrated  by wells,  the  Ugnu  heavy oil  reservoir  just                                                              
below the  perma-frost holds up to  20 billion barrels  of oil. BP                                                              
has indicated  it may  potentially be able  to recover  only about                                                              
10  percent  or 2  billion  barrels  of  oil. Ugnu  is  challenged                                                              
technically  because of  the nature  of the reservoir  and  so the                                                              
issue  will be  solving those  problems  as well  as bringing  the                                                              
costs down for developing in general.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Burger in the  Chukchi Sea was drilled  by Shell in the  early 90s                                                              
and they  are interested  in pursuing  it if  they are  ever given                                                              
permission  to do  so.  There is  a  range of  31  million to  1.7                                                              
billion  barrels  of  condensate  in place.  More  delineation  is                                                              
required  there as it  is for  the estimated  8-27 tcf  of natural                                                              
gas.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if the Beaufort projects  are on state                                                              
land.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  answered no;  they are all  on Outer Continental  Shelf                                                              
(OCS) federal lands.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked which ones are on state lands.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS replied  Umiat,  Gubik,  North Tarn,  and  the FEX.  He                                                              
added that  the state  gets a  share of  royalties that  come from                                                              
the NPRA.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked why Umiat  is not being  developed and                                                              
who has the lease.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS replied  that most of those leases are  on federal land,                                                              
but some  are on state  land on this side  of the river.  Umiat is                                                              
not being developed  largely because of the whole  suite of issues                                                              
he has  talked about: the  lack of infrastructure  and remoteness;                                                              
it's an  oil play that  needs a road  and a pipeline,  which could                                                              
be expensive.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked what  information  he  has about  why                                                              
they are  not being developed.  Do we need  to build a  road there                                                              
or is it the  financials that don't work? What  information did he                                                              
have?                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS said  he  didn't have  economic  information on  Umiat.                                                              
They  would  have to  ask  the developer,  Renaissance.  Gubik  is                                                              
remote as well.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  said he wanted to know what  lever needed to                                                              
be pulled  for the projects  on state land  to go forward.  If $20                                                              
million for  a road is needed, they  needed to talk about  that or                                                              
royalty relief.  Did he  know what  is needed  to get these  areas                                                              
developed?                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  replied that several  things need to happen.  Umiat, to                                                              
the  extent it's  on  federal land,  may not  have  an option  for                                                              
royalty relief,  for example.  It's also  a shallow reservoir  and                                                              
accessing it from the Umiat staging area could be complicated.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:05:47 PM                                                                                                                    
BOB SWENSON, State  Geologist and Director, Division  Geologic and                                                              
Geophysical Surveys,  Department of Natural Resources  (DNR), said                                                              
he  came from  the Montana  region and  has been  in Alaska  since                                                              
1991.  He graduated  from  the University  of  Wyoming. He  joined                                                              
Arco Alaska in  1991 and worked there through  2002 as exploration                                                              
lead  in  the  Cook Inlet  and  non-producing  basins  around  the                                                              
state.  For the  last  five years  he has  been  working with  the                                                              
state  first  as  a  research  director   and  now  as  the  state                                                              
geologist.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  said his pictures  tell a  lot of stories.  The first                                                              
picture was  an oblique view of  the North Slope with  the Chukchi                                                              
and Beaufort shelves,  the main point being about  the exploration                                                              
history and  maturity of the North  Slope. A number of  wells have                                                              
been  drilled on  the North  Slope but  in comparing  it to  other                                                              
areas the distance  between Burger and Prudhoe Bay  is the same as                                                              
the lateral  distance across  the state of  Wyoming. So,  they are                                                              
talking  about a  very  large area.  For  perspective, within  the                                                              
150,000  square   miles  on  the   North  Slope  fewer   than  500                                                              
exploration wells  have been drilled. The entire  state of Wyoming                                                              
is  about  100,000  square  miles  -  about  75,000  square  miles                                                              
related  to petroleum  - and  over 19,000  exploration wells  have                                                              
been  drilled  there.  The  next  slide  showed  that  Alaska  has                                                              
greater than  20 billion  barrels of  oil, information  from 2000-                                                              
2006   U.S.   GEOLOGICAL   SURVEY   (USGS)   studies   on   global                                                              
conventional oil reserves, making it a world class basin.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS said  he saw another  20 billion  barrels  in the                                                              
Aleutians. Is that the OCS?                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON answered  yes, and  that  is the  assessment done  in                                                              
2000 of the Bering Sea basins.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN  said he  didn't think all  those oil  basins were                                                              
equal in terms of  industry's ability to enter or  exist and asked                                                              
what  percent  of  those  oil  basins  are  actually  tied  up  by                                                              
sovereigns that  don't allow free  flow of capitalism. And  of the                                                              
ones that do, what  percentage of what's left is  from the Alberta                                                              
oil sands? He thought they would find that it's only 10 percent.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON said  that was an excellent point  and elaborated that                                                              
this assessment  was specifically  on the technically  recoverable                                                              
resource estimates  and does not include the  unconventionals such                                                              
as  shale oil  or  heavy  oil in  Canada.  A number  of  different                                                              
factors across  the globe  will curtail whether  or not  a company                                                              
has the ability  to enter and  try to access those  resources. The                                                              
USGS  will be  coming out  with a  new global  assessment, but  he                                                              
didn't  know  if they  would  use  an "economic  and/or  political                                                              
filter" on the access issue.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 3 was  a map of the North  Pole. He explained  that the USGS                                                              
had recently  done a technically  recoverable resource  assessment                                                              
of the  whole Arctic  region. The  important point  of the  map is                                                              
that the  only area  they actually  think is  greater than  the 10                                                              
billion  barrel hurdle  is  the  Arctic Alaska  (AA)  that has  an                                                              
estimated 30 billion barrels.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:11:56 PM                                                                                                                    
Slide 4  looks directly  down on the  North Pole for  undiscovered                                                              
natural gas. Arctic  Alaska is in the greater than  100 tcf of gas                                                              
resource assessment.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON said  it's important  to  know what  goes into  these                                                              
assessments and  understanding the geology  is a major  portion of                                                              
their validity.  So, he  wanted to try  to convince  the committee                                                              
of the knowledge  that went into this work. The  first slide shows                                                              
the North  Slope regional  geology  at the surface.  It shows  the                                                              
tremendous  amount  of understanding  they  have  from a  regional                                                              
sense. But  the regional  look is  not what  goes into  the direct                                                              
assessment of these resources.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The next slide  was a generalized cross section  from the Beaufort                                                              
Sea in the  north to the Beaufort  Sea to the south  in the Brooks                                                              
Range.  It shows  what  is in  the subsurface  at  depth. It  also                                                              
shows the  location of the Prudhoe  Bay oil complex,  an important                                                              
part of their  understanding of the petroleum systems  within this                                                              
basin. He  explained if  the same  cross section  was done  in the                                                              
North  Sea,  a very  hydrocarbon  prolific  basin in  England  and                                                              
Norway, it would  show a very similar geologic setting  - a rifted                                                              
margin. To  the south of Prudhoe  Bay is very similar  in geologic                                                              
style to  the Foreland  Basin of  Alberta. He  said both  USGS and                                                              
the Division  of Oil and Gas  have been doing  "surfacial mapping"                                                              
at a one-inch to a mile scale.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN said  the state  spends a  lot of  money on  good                                                              
subsurface  mapping and asked  him to  explain how they  interpret                                                              
that without sending guys out to do seismic.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  explained that  geologic mapping  is a process  using                                                              
all  the   tools  available   to  them   -  seismic  or   airborne                                                              
geophysical  data, and  most importantly,  surface outcrops.  They                                                              
will study a specific  outcrop and put that in the  context of all                                                              
the  other  outcrops in  an  area.  Measurements of  porosity  and                                                              
permeability,  of the depositional  environment,  and a number  of                                                              
different types of analyses on the surface expression are made.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:17:58 PM                                                                                                                    
The rocks that are  exposed at the surface in the  Brooks Range to                                                              
the  south are  in the  subsurface to  the north,  because of  the                                                              
thrust  belt  (mountain  building)  that happened  in  the  Brooks                                                              
Range.  So,  studying them  in  the  Brooks  Range gives  them  an                                                              
understanding  of what  is in the  subsurface  to the north  where                                                              
they expect to  see accumulations of hydrocarbons.  This point was                                                              
elaborated in the next three slides (8-10).                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Slide  8: Some  of  the  additional  studies that  are  undertaken                                                              
during the geologic  mapping effort are porosity  and permeability                                                              
measurements of  different sand bodies  as well as  the provenance                                                              
studies (the  type of reservoir rock  they would expect  to see in                                                              
a given  age rock).  Electrical measurements  of the rock  outcrop                                                              
themselves have  been taken so they  can be compared to  well logs                                                              
that were drilled in the subsurface to the north.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON  said one  of  the  more important  aspects  of  this                                                              
entire effort is  their understanding of the  entire stratographic                                                              
package  -  the entire  package  of  rocks  that are  drilled  and                                                              
explored for  in the exploration  efforts. The work that  has been                                                              
done  along  the  Brooks  Range  has  dramatically  changed  their                                                              
understanding of the stratographic column.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN  asked  him  to  elaborate  on  the  significant                                                              
change.  What  was the  basic  premise  and  what is  the  current                                                              
premise?                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  answered that  the initial  premise is  understanding                                                              
where a reservoir  is located within a given package  of rocks and                                                              
how they were  deposited. Understanding where the  sand bodies are                                                              
located  within  any given  package  of  rocks  and how  they  are                                                              
distributed  from   a  paleo-environment  from  where   they  were                                                              
deposited  is incredibly  important  in how  they understand  what                                                              
type of  plays might  be available  as well  as where those  plays                                                              
might be,  he said. So,  the more detail  on the distributions  of                                                              
those reservoir  faces of  where the sand  stone bodies  are helps                                                              
them understand what  type of prospect might be  in the subsurface                                                              
for an undiscovered resource assessment.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:21:21 PM                                                                                                                    
The  next slide,  a cross  section done  by Paul  Decker from  the                                                              
Umiat area  up to  Prudhoe Bay  using well  logs from  wells along                                                              
that route,  illustrated those questions.  It also shows  how they                                                              
apply the  detailed knowledge  that has been  gained from  all the                                                              
geologic mapping  to the subsurface  models.  Once all  these data                                                              
sets  are  put together  and  finalized,  then  they go  into  the                                                              
available  subsurface and  the  seismic data  and  apply all  this                                                              
knowledge  and model  an  interpretation of  the  seismic data  so                                                              
they  can look  at  the distribution  of  sand  bodies, where  the                                                              
reservoirs  might be, the  quality of  those reservoirs,  what the                                                              
porosity and  permeability might be,  as well as  the hydrocarbons                                                              
that  would  have  been  generated  and  migrated  into  potential                                                              
traps.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN said  Mr. Banks in his testimony  used terms like                                                              
the  North  Tarn, and  Mr.  Swenson's  slide  had a  Tarn  Bermuda                                                              
Interval  and  an  Ugnu  Sands and  an  Ugnu  deposit.  Are  those                                                              
intended to  correlate to  the finds and  names that  were earlier                                                              
identified?                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  answered yes; the  different formations  described in                                                              
different  areas  of the  North  Slope have  hydrocarbons  present                                                              
within  them. The  Ugnu Sands,  for  example, are  a specific  oil                                                              
reservoir  within   the  Ugnu  formation.  They   study  the  Ugnu                                                              
formation and everywhere  it's exposed on the North  Slope so they                                                              
can have  a better  understanding of  what the recoverable  factor                                                              
of oil  or gas  might be  out of  that formation.  They use  other                                                              
analogues to do that as well.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  pointed out  that the Ugnu  Sands are  closer to                                                              
the ocean and the Tarn is maybe halfway between.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON said  that was  correct and  that the  section he  is                                                              
talking about focuses  on the south of the Brooks  Range where one                                                              
can  see faulting  and  repeated stacks  of  formations along  the                                                              
ANWR border;  it doesn't make  it all the  way to the  Prudhoe Bay                                                              
area. He  said all of this  information that he just  described is                                                              
used  in the  models. The  USGS  then takes  that information  and                                                              
puts  it  into  an  industry  standard   probabilistic  model  for                                                              
determining resource size.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  described  this statistical  method  as  a flow  diagram  with                                                              
different   geologic  parameters   that  are   necessary  for   an                                                              
accumulation  to  occur in  one  corner including:  closure  area,                                                              
closure  of the  trap  size,  the reservoir  thickness,  porosity,                                                              
water  saturation,  et cetera.  Each  one has  been  taken into  a                                                              
"probabilistic  Monte Carlo  analysis"  and a  series of  probably                                                              
occurrences  in  graphs  are  generated  from each  one  of  those                                                              
different parameters.  This analysis,  then, is generated  into an                                                              
accumulation size.  Then each one  of those plays are  "risked for                                                              
their occurrence"  and results  in what  they use as  "technically                                                              
recoverable resource assessments."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The  next slide  showed  the distribution  of  field  sizes -  how                                                              
large  the fields  are expected  to  be in  a given  play type  on                                                              
state lands,  NPRA and ANWR from  the results of one of  the Monte                                                              
Carlo  runs. This  distribution can  be compared  to other  mature                                                              
basins that  the department  has a huge  analogue data base  on to                                                              
make sure the analysis is on the "right page."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  said a  series of resource  assessments is  generated                                                              
from all  of this effort and  slide 15 shows the  USGS assessments                                                              
for technically  recoverable  reserves for  the areas of  Chukchi-                                                              
south, NPRA, Central North Slope, Beaufort Shelf and ANWR.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He said  three numbers  are particularly  important and  explained                                                              
that for  any given area  there will be a  single number -  8.2 in                                                              
the Beaufort  Shelf, for example -  and then (.4 up to  23.2), the                                                              
range of  potential sizes of  the resource  in this area.  The 8.2                                                              
is  the mean  of the  statistical  distribution. The  issue is  to                                                              
understand  how   much  they  know   about  a  given   area;  that                                                              
determines  the  size  of  that  range  of  numbers.  So,  in  the                                                              
Beaufort area where  they have relatively little  information, the                                                              
range is very  large. But in the  Central North Slope  the mean is                                                              
4 billion  barrels  and the  range is  2.6 up  to 5.9,  relatively                                                              
narrow  because  of the  amount  of  information they  have.  It's                                                              
important to  look at that range  for any resource  assessment, he                                                              
emphasized, for accuracy.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:27:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON  said all  of these  assessments  he has been  talking                                                              
about are  conventional resource  plays in  the Arctic  Alaska and                                                              
do  not include  the  unconventionals they  have  been hearing  so                                                              
much  about   in  the  Lower   48.  Those  include   gas  hydrates                                                              
(occurring only  in Alaska in the  USA) and over-pressured  gas or                                                              
basin shut  in gas (shale  gas) which they  are in the  process of                                                              
assessing.  Those numbers  will be  very large,  though. Coal  bed                                                              
gas is another  resource that is  really large, but that  also has                                                              
not been assessed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN asked  if his  slides  show there  are 4  billion                                                              
barrels of oil remaining on Central North Slope.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  replied using  2.6 to 5.9  as the range  of potential                                                              
estimates (P95 and  P5 numbers), that means there is  a 95 percent                                                              
chance that  there is more than  2.6 billion barrels of  oil and a                                                              
5 percent  chance that there is  more than 5.9 billion  barrels of                                                              
oil in this area  - with a mean of that distribution  of 4 billion                                                              
barrels.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN  asked if  the  mean in  the  ANWR  area is  10.4                                                              
billion barrels.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON replied  yes; the mean is 10.4 billion  barrels with a                                                              
range of 5.7 to 16.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN asked him to explain a red line.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  explained USGS  did a recent  assessment of  NPRA and                                                              
reduced  the mean  from 10  billion  barrels down  to 680  million                                                              
barrels.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN  asked for  some background.  Did they  adjust the                                                              
numbers  up  a  few  years ago  because  of  the  exuberance  over                                                              
Alpine?                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON  replied that  resource  assessments  get  fine-tuned                                                              
with additional  information. The USGS  did a reassessment  of the                                                              
NPRA work  following some  of the exploration  work that  was done                                                              
there. Their  original number -  6.7 to 15  with a mean of  10.7 -                                                              
was  based on  their model  at the  current  time associated  with                                                              
just  post-Alpine. They  felt there  were  most likely  additional                                                              
accumulations off  to the west similar  to Alpine, which  would be                                                              
in the Jurassic  section. The results of the  post-Alpine drilling                                                              
caused them  to reduce the  model down significantly.  The state's                                                              
position on that  move is that USGS is being  much too pessimistic                                                              
based on drilling from FEX and other data they share.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:32:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if  this information  is public.  Are                                                              
they  getting it  from lease  holders?  Are they  doing their  own                                                              
seismic tests?                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON answered this is all public information.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:33:36 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL   DECKER,   Petroleum   Geologist   and   Manager,   Resource                                                              
Evaluation  Section,  Division  of  Oil  and  Gas,  Department  of                                                              
Natural  Resources (DNR),  said  he moved  to Alaska  in 1988  and                                                              
took a position  in Arco Alaska in development  and exploration on                                                              
the  North  Slope. He  worked  there  for  about 16  years  before                                                              
coming  to work  for the  Alaska  DNR in  2004. Today  he said  he                                                              
wanted to  share fewer numbers but  more concepts about  what they                                                              
hope will  be an emerging play  concept, a type  of unconventional                                                              
oil  resource  that  they  refer   to  as  "source  reservoir  oil                                                              
resource."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that unconventional  resources can be  distinguished                                                              
from conventional  resources simply by the fact  that conventional                                                              
resources  are found in  discrete accumulations.  They are  driven                                                              
by buoyancy  like a  bubble up through  the water-saturated  rock;                                                              
hydrocarbons  accumulate at  the high  point on  the structure  to                                                              
form  a discrete  bubble. Unconventional  resources  on the  other                                                              
hand  have  much lower  geologic  risk  -  that  is, the  risk  of                                                              
actually  failing to  find them  is  much lower.  That is  because                                                              
they  are  most  certainly present  throughout  the  play  fairway                                                              
where  they occur.  The reason  for that  is that  they are  still                                                              
stuck in  the source  rocks where  the hydrocarbons were  actually                                                              
created.   The engineering  risk  is higher because  they  are not                                                              
sure the  resource  is going to  be recoverable  from those  rocks                                                              
because they  have low permeability  that resists fluid  flow. So,                                                              
massive  engineering stimulations  are required  of virtually  any                                                              
kind of unconventional resource. Shale oil is no exception.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Many   terms  are   in   the  news,   but   they   all  refer   to                                                              
"unconventionals" but  some are more specific. Source  rock is the                                                              
reservoir rock and  it is also the trap simply because  of the low                                                              
permeability, so the  oil or gas is still down three  where it was                                                              
formed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:36:24 PM                                                                                                                    
The  next map  was an  overview  of the  North  Slope region  that                                                              
showed three  area-wide sales offered  every year by  the Division                                                              
of Oil  and Gas. The  main green  blobs in the  middle of  the map                                                              
showed  the large oil  fields of  Prudhoe Bay,  Kuparuk, West  Sak                                                              
and  the Ugnu  Sands.  A yellow  box  indicated  where Great  Bear                                                              
Petroleum precipitated  all the  interest in shale  resource plays                                                              
on the North  Slope by leasing  500,000 acres. That is  really why                                                              
they are here discussing this today.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN asked  if the newer leases have  performance terms                                                              
attached or are they open ended like the original leases.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  answered these  leases are  offered with similar  terms                                                              
to what has  been offered for  several years - the  lowest royalty                                                              
he can  offer at  12.5 percent.  Most of them  lie within  an area                                                              
where the  lease terms  are 7-10 years.  At this particular  lease                                                              
sale the minimum  bid was $10/acre. They paid a bit  more for that                                                              
but not a lot more.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN stated  that they have 7-10 years to  prove up and                                                              
move forward.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER responded  yes.  The  only other  thing  he wanted  to                                                              
point  out was  the  seismic transect  or  the  slice through  the                                                              
earth concept  that Mr. Swenson  showed, the blue line  going east                                                              
to west across the  Central North Slope state lands.  He said this                                                              
was a  diagram of  the stratographic  column  for the North  Slope                                                              
borrowed from the  USGS. Under the "age" column were  a variety of                                                              
geologic  names  which refer  to  periods  of geologic  time,  the                                                              
oldest and  deepest at the  bottom of the  graph and  the youngest                                                              
and shallowest at the top.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  called  their attention  to  the  three prolific  source  rock                                                              
intervals  on the North  Slope starting  with  the Shublik  at the                                                              
bottom, Kingak Shale  above that and then shallower  and separated                                                              
by geologic  time  is the GRZ  and Hue  shale system.  He said  he                                                              
will talk  about all  of them as  they are all  oil and  gas prone                                                              
sources  that  are  of  interest  to  this  discussion.  A  couple                                                              
thousand feet  down the seismic line  is where they would  have to                                                              
be concerned  about the  base of  permafrost and having  drinkable                                                              
quality water.  The source rocks here  are at a depth  of 8,000 to                                                              
13,000 feet.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:40:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DECKER  explained  that  a number  of  key  geologic  factors                                                              
control the potential productivity of the shale resource plays:                                                                 
   · the total organic carbon content that is a measure of the                                                                  
     richness of the source                                                                                                     
   · the hydrogen index, which is a measure of the hydrogen                                                                     
     content, which relates directly to whether that source rock                                                                
     is going to create oil or gas or no hydrocarbon at all                                                                     
   · the oil properties like viscosity and API gravity or the                                                                   
     runniness of the oil, very important when talking about low                                                                
     permeability rocks.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER explained  that  thermal and  tectonic  history is  an                                                              
absolutely  key  concept to  shale  resources. Source  rocks  that                                                              
have not  been buried  deep enough  are still "immature,"  meaning                                                              
they have  not yet generated  oil or gas  from their  hydrogen and                                                              
carbon precursors.  So, one wants to  get into a deep  enough part                                                              
of the  basin called the  "oil window."  Deeper will get  one into                                                              
the "gas  window" or  beyond. Also,  natural fracturing  occurs in                                                              
thermal and tectonic  history and that can be  really important in                                                              
terms of  recovering oil or gas  from these very  permeable rocks.                                                              
It is  also important  when planning frac  jobs to understand  the                                                              
stress orientations and magnitudes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Petrophysics  refers to how  the fluids  interact with  the rocks.                                                              
So,  porosity is  simply  the  void space  where  the  oil or  gas                                                              
resides in that  rock. Permeability refers to  how connected those                                                              
pore  spaces are,  a key  ingredient. Finally,  he explained  that                                                              
geomechanics has  to do with how  "fracable" or brittle  a rock is                                                              
and   how  it   will  sustain   fractures   either  naturally   or                                                              
artificially.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The next  slides were from western  North Dakota in  the Williston                                                              
Basin where the  Bakken source rock is being  developed. It showed                                                              
a stretch  of road  with gravel  pads on  either side,  each about                                                              
five acres  in size. A  well from each  pad goes down  about 8,000                                                              
to 9,000 ft. and  then turns horizontal and goes  laterally for up                                                              
to  two  miles.  The  slide also  indicated  a  schematic  of  the                                                              
"fracture wings"  that are being  created by artificially  fracing                                                              
isolated  sections of the  wellbore. The  rows of  wells set  up a                                                              
very  efficient  drainage  pattern.  The  concept  is  close  well                                                              
spacing and a very pattern-driven approach.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:44:40 PM                                                                                                                    
He  stated that  well  spacing varies  from  shale  play to  shale                                                              
play. In the Bakken  Formation about one well is  put in per every                                                              
640 acres.  In the Eagle  Ford Shale in  Texas and perhaps  on the                                                              
North Slope they would expect to look at much tighter spacing.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PASKVAN asked  what  the 120-060  acres/well  meant on  the                                                              
North Slope.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  explained  that was  a mistake that  was corrected  to                                                              
read 120-160  acres/well.  He continued  that the  idea of  a frac                                                              
well is to inject  fluid into an isolated section  of the wellbore                                                              
under  increasing  pressure  until  it  reaches  sufficient  fluid                                                              
pressure to  actually exceed  the strength of  the rock.  The sand                                                              
is "parked"  in those fractures  that are  a few millimeters  to a                                                              
couple of  centimeters in  width and extend  out hundreds  of feet                                                              
on either  side of  the wellbore. The  sand "props"  the fractures                                                              
open and allows  a permeable conduit for the  hydrocarbons to flow                                                              
into the wellbore.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Fracing  uses a  LOT  of water,  he  said. Jobs  in  the Lower  48                                                              
commonly use  1 million to 5.5  million gallons of water  per well                                                              
depending on  how large they want  to make the frac wings  and how                                                              
many stages of fracturing they want to do in the wellbore.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER said  everyone has heard of environmental  risks - that                                                              
it's  possible  that  shallow aquifers  will  be  contaminated  if                                                              
great  care  isn't taken  to  ensure  that those  fractures  don't                                                              
extend  up into the  fresh water  aquifer. But  this is  something                                                              
that  is clearly  avoidable  with  good engineering  and  geologic                                                              
practice  and responsible  operators,  particularly  on the  North                                                              
Slope  where the  aquifer  is about  a  mile  above their  fracing                                                              
zones  of interest.  Slide 11 showed  34 frac  trucks on  location                                                              
that could drain about 400 ft. on either side of the well.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The next  graph showed  a single  well's flow  rate over  time for                                                              
Whiting Petroleum  in the  Bakken Formation.  Their wells  are now                                                              
coming on stream  initially at about 1,000 barrels/day  or better.                                                              
Then within about  five years they drop off sharply  to about one-                                                              
tenth  of  the initial  rate.  Then  the  decline is  shallow  for                                                              
another 10 years or so, he explained.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN asked for help with the tables.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER said  those were  rate  of return  (IRR) figures  from                                                              
Whiting's annual  report and  simply shows  that at different  oil                                                              
prices the return on investment can be handsome.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN  commented that  he  hoped  the State  of  Alaska                                                              
would negotiate better deals than this.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS commented  that exploration drilling in  Alaska is three                                                              
to eight  times as  expensive as  a $5 million  shale well  in the                                                              
Bakken Formation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN  said he knows the  Bakken tax structure  is quite                                                              
different than Alaska's tax structure and ownership.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER  said   the  intention  of  this  slide   is  strictly                                                              
technical  and to  show  how the  flow  rate  declines quickly  at                                                              
first but then levels out for some time.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN asked  if he intended to compare  the North Slope                                                              
shale oil play to the Eagle Ford and Bakken plays.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER answered  yes. He said the Eagle Ford  Shale is brittle                                                              
and  this makes  it a  pretty good  analogue for  one of  Alaska's                                                              
source rocks,  the Shublik.  That's because it  contains a  lot of                                                              
calcite, the  mineral that makes  up limestone. Some of  the other                                                              
numbers  indicate  that  it's thick  and  organically  rich,  it's                                                              
widespread and therefore  it's a very attractive place  to try and                                                              
produce oil.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Turning  to the  potential  analogue in  North  Dakota, he  showed                                                              
that the  Williston  Basin in the  west that  contains the  Bakken                                                              
Formation  that  is  "thermally  mature" meaning  it  has  already                                                              
generated oil  or gas. The  various circles indicated  the initial                                                              
2-3 month  oil production  rates. Over 150  rigs were  active last                                                              
month in this basin alone, so it's really a "boom time" there.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN asked  how immature and mature come  about and how                                                              
they are identified.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER  replied that  immature  rocks  are those  rocks  that                                                              
haven't been  buried deep  enough to  be warm enough  (temperature                                                              
increases with  depth) to  generate oil or  gas. The  western part                                                              
of North  Dakota where  Bakken is  located is  the deeper  part of                                                              
the Williston Basin.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:54:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN  asked if he could  identify this clearly  and how                                                              
many more  years it  would take  for a rock  formation to  go from                                                              
immature to mature.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  answered an immature  area won't become  mature during                                                              
our  lifetime  or  our  children's  lifetimes;  geologic  time  is                                                              
required.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  suggested that  they could  go back a  couple of                                                              
slides and  evaluate what one might  expect from that well  in the                                                              
next 10-20 years.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:55:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DECKER said  that the good geologic characteristics  of Alaska                                                              
source rock that  make it a good play for shale  resources is that                                                              
it's  brittle  and  therefore  fracable,  and  that's  because  of                                                              
silica and  pyrite cements and some  dolomites in the  middle part                                                              
of it. The thickness  is good, the richness is  good, the kerogen-                                                              
type (hydrocarbon  precursors) are all  there to make this  a good                                                              
oil and  gas source  rock very much  like the  Eagle Ford  in some                                                              
respects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Their  counterparts in  the  North Dakota  Industrial  Commission,                                                              
Department of Mineral  Resources, have indicated  that the average                                                              
two-mile  lateral  horizontal  producing  well  in  the  Williston                                                              
Basin now  costs about $6  million and  creates about 47  jobs. He                                                              
didn't know  the precise  amounts the first  few wells  would cost                                                              
to develop  in our North Alaska  shale plays, but it would  be the                                                              
same type of  well. He ventured  an estimate of two to  four times                                                              
that.  The  operating cost  is  low  in  North Dakota,  less  than                                                              
$7,000/month/well with  about one full-time employee.  The royalty                                                              
rate there is about  the same as the Alaska's  highest rates. Some                                                              
of Great Bear's  leases will be paying this much  and others would                                                              
be  paying 12.50  percent. Initial  average  production rates  for                                                              
the  Bakken wells  are just  under 1,000  barrels of  oil per  day                                                              
(BOPD).  Out of  about 750  wells that  have been  drilled in  the                                                              
last few  years [in  Alaska], all  the wells on  the left  side of                                                              
the bar would  be better than average  and the ones they  are most                                                              
interested in  are the ones that  produce even better than  that -                                                              
3,000-5,000 BOPD  - all of which  are being drilled by  just three                                                              
companies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  asked if  Alaska's shale  oil potential  is about                                                              
the same as North Dakota's or is it greater.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER  said   the  USGS  is  conducting   a  shale  resource                                                              
assessment of Arctic  Alaska which should be available  within the                                                              
next year, but he didn't feel enough was known right now to say.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:59:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DECKER  said the  Bakken has  been very  successful. About  83                                                              
percent   of  the   wells  fall   in  the   better-than-break-even                                                              
category. That is  because of the rates they can  achieve early on                                                              
in the  lifespan of  the well  and the  total production  over the                                                              
life of the well.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He  showed  them examples  of  the  characteristics of  the  North                                                              
Slope  source  rocks  starting  with  the  oldest,  Shublik.    It                                                              
presented  a lot of  layering variability.  The  next slide  was a                                                              
cross  section  showing  the same  zones  being  highly  traceable                                                              
across many  miles of the  North Slope.  This was good  because it                                                              
allows them to predict  what zones will be fracable  once they get                                                              
the data.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The Lower  Kingak Formation is  immediately above the  Shublik and                                                              
has a lot of  the same thermal characteristics.  The Hue Shale/GRZ                                                              
is  several  layers  that  coalesce  to  the  east  in  the  cross                                                              
section.  His calculations  show that it  compares favorably  with                                                              
any  of  the shale  plays  anywhere  in  the world.  Finally,  the                                                              
Shublik  and Kingak  are together  so they have  the same  thermal                                                              
maturity  zone, a  wide swath  across the  North Slope  indicating                                                              
that Great Bear is well positioned.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN   asked  if   the  location   of  the   TAPS  is                                                              
significant to those sites.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER answered  yes  and that  is  another  good reason  for                                                              
Great  Bear  picking  up  the acreage  that  they  did.  The  most                                                              
commercial development  early on will occur in  close proximity to                                                              
the TAPS and the Dalton Highway.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:03:36 PM                                                                                                                    
A  comparison chart  of  source  rock characteristics  showed  the                                                              
Shublik  and the  Eagle Ford  being  about as  closely matched  as                                                              
they can  get. The  department expects  to look  at Eagle  Ford to                                                              
answer questions  they don't yet  know from direct  evidence about                                                              
the Shublik source rock.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:04:07 PM                                                                                                                    
To  summarize,  he  reinforced  the  point  that  there  are  many                                                              
different  geologic  and  engineering variables  that  impact  the                                                              
productivity of source  rock reservoired oil and  gas geologic and                                                              
technology  practice.  A  successful   development  of  the  North                                                              
Slope's  shale  oil is  likely  going to  depend  on  a series  of                                                              
events kind  of like the resource  chain the Mr. Banks  alluded to                                                              
earlier.  It  will  start  with  a  successful  pilot  exploration                                                              
drilling project.  Then a way  to lower  the cost of  drilling the                                                              
wells will  have to  be found partly  through learning  and partly                                                              
by  just getting  the equipment  up there.  All-season roads  will                                                              
likely be  needed for year-round  surface access to get  this done                                                              
in a reasonable  amount of time. More equipment and  crews will be                                                              
needed as  well as establishing  the presence of  sufficient water                                                              
for  the fracs.  People will  also  need to  have this  frac-based                                                              
dialogue  on  practices to  replace  some  of the  emotion  around                                                              
those issues.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  who  he expected  would  be exploring  and                                                              
developing the  shale oil plays. Will  it be the big three  or the                                                              
smaller companies like Great Bear?                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  answered  that Great  Bear is a  newly formed  company                                                              
with  key technical  people who  have long  experience in  Alaska.                                                              
They  have seen  how  prolific these  shale  plays  have been  and                                                              
formed a company  specifically devoted to this  venture. "They are                                                              
the first on this  wagon here," and he thought  other companies of                                                              
different sizes should follow.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  commented that five years ago  people hadn't                                                              
heard  of  shale gas  in  the  Lower 48.  Would  this  potentially                                                              
happen on the North Slope with shale oil?                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER  replied   that  is  potentially  in   our  future  if                                                              
companies have sufficient  access to capital. Great  Bear has very                                                              
aggressive plans.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  thanked the committee  for going past  5:00, the                                                              
Commissioner  and the three  members on  the panel, and  adjourned                                                              
the meeting at 5:08 p.m.                                                                                                        

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SRES_DOG Presentation 2-23-11.pdf SRES 2/23/2011 3:30:00 PM
SRES_NAK Shale Resource Plays_2011-02-22.pdf SRES 2/23/2011 3:30:00 PM
SRES_North Slope Conventional Expl_Swenson.pdf SRES 2/23/2011 3:30:00 PM
SB 42_Response to Committee Questions and Concerns.pdf SRES 2/23/2011 3:30:00 PM
SB 42
CS for SB 42 Version D_2-22-11.pdf SRES 2/23/2011 3:30:00 PM
SB 42
SB 42_Explanation of Changes_2-23-11.pdf SRES 2/23/2011 3:30:00 PM
SB 42